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I am very new here. Please apologize if my questions are stupid or if I misunderstood something.

User Alvama draw this ship: http://shipbucket.com/images.php?dir=Re ... %20106.png

In the meantime some new findings help to update the design. I try to sum up the background:

In February 1942 the Banckert fought together with theVan Ghent against the Japanese invasion in Palembang. End of February, she was so badly damaged that it was abandoned 2.3.42. For this purpose, they were fired from the submarine K-XVIII with the onboard gun. The Japanese raised and rebuilt it as patrol boat 106. (P-106 or PB-106 is just a Western designation) However, it was not completely finished.

Original image of Banckert as P-106: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IJN_PB106-1946.jpg



According to HP Models a sketch was published in a publication in the '70s who mentions the P-106 as a carrier of two landing craft. They also have 12 x 2.5cm Flak worn (probably 4x3). This coincides with the technical specifications in http://www.navypedia.org/ships/japan/ja ... nckert.htm .

http://propnturret.com/tully/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=422 contains some valuable information, in particular:
There is a sketch of PB106 in Shizuo Fukui's book "Japanese Naval Vessels at the end of World War II" (on page 48), with the following comments:
"She is ex Dutch destroyer Banckert (Yarrow design). Built by Burgebhouts in 1930. Originally she carried 4 x 12cm guns, 1 x 8cm H.A, several machine guns and 2 x 53cm triple T.T. She was sunk at Soerabaya in March, '42, salvaged & refitted by Japanese Navy but not completed. Projected to be used for patroling, escorting & transporting. 2 x 14m Daihatsu are to be carried on deck. Speed reduced to about 26 knots. Her fittings armaments are not mounted. Only engines repaired. She was moored without commision at Soerabaya at the end of war." (Spelling as per original)
Curiously, Fukui lists her as having four boilers, when she was built with three. Projected armament was two 8cm H.A. guns, four triple 25mm MG and 24 DC. According to the sketch ("this sketch is shown presumptively"), one 8cm was to be mounted in original "A" 12cm position, the second in the original Dutch 7.5cm HA position between the funnels. The triple 25mm mounts were to be mounted to port and starboard, two immediately ahead of a Japanese style bridge, the other two to port and starboard of the original forward torpedo tube mount position. DC racks and throwers aft. Daihatsus stored at level of original aft torpedo tube mounts. Tripod foremast immediately aft of bridge, original deckhouses aft of funnels removed. Tripod mainmast between aft 25mm AA mounts and Daihatsus.

From this information, in conjunction with the known picture, there are the following conclusions:

• Dutch armament removed. Instead, planned 2 * 8cm, 4 * 3 * 2.5cm AA, 24 DC, 2 * 14m Daihatsu landing craft. Positions as described above: 8 cm in front of the bridge, 8 cm behind the front funnel. The triple AA aside and in front of the bridge. Further triple AA on the sides of the former forward torpedo mounts. DC at the stern.
• Slow down: This is usually done to save room for increased bunkers capacity for increased range. While the restoration at least the rear was removed, possibly even both. It is plausible that was not planned to take the rear boiler back into operation. Accordingly, I start from only one funnel.
• The photo also shows the Dutch bridge. It makes no sense to maintain that in this phase, in order then to replace it later.
• The position of the Daihatsu typically was at a ramp at the stern. However, a position as shown in the drawing can not be excluded. For this a strong crane is required. In any case, the rear deck houses are completely eliminated. Overall, removing the aft funnel allows to move the crane position forward to obtain enough room for the Daihatsu - plausible also in conjunction with the depth charges at the stern.
• As foremast a typical Japanese tripod mast of this time is to be provided. I see no reason to doubt Alvana's radar positioning.

Overall, this results in the new interpretation picture.


(Sorry this is jpg, did not find how to upload the png directly to here)

I believe there is a Daihatsu barge available in the IJN parts sheets to finish the drawing. As to uploading .png files, use an image hosting site like Imgur. Also, the credits need to be all the same font. Other than these small nitpicks, very nice work!

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MS State Guard - 08 March 2014 - 28 January 2023

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emperor_andreas, thank you for your feedback and hints!
I'll gather potentially further comments and then will apply your hints.

Best regards
Jürgen

Updated credits and took the Daihatsu from IJN parts. Think is better now.
Here now as png:

Welcome aboard juergen klueser
I commend you for trying as a first ship, doing one that was done by one of the top artists.
Two things: One is the template which needs to be fixed. Second your credits, seem to be aliased, and in the wrong font, or size is wrong.
I suggest you look at the forum guidelines of how to draw in Shipbucket scale, which also covers how to do the credit lines.

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Thank you Kim for the crest

"Never fear to try on something new. Remember that the Titanic was built by professionals, and the Ark by an amateur"

Thanks a lot for your comments!

My target is to build the P106 as a model. For this I need a drawing and I found the existing one as a good base (from ships perspective). So I took this. I think, I need to learn about templates.

In the rules http://www.shipbucket.com/standards.php I found the statement, that the font needs to be the same and the size needs to b the same.... but no statement, which font and which size. Are these the wrong guidelines?

Size and type of font my not be found in the guidlines, but can find them on the basic templates here in the forum.

http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... f=5&t=1243

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Thanks a lot!
Maybe it could be an idea to link this in the guidelines?

Very nice work!

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MS State Guard - 08 March 2014 - 28 January 2023

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That's a nice drawing, especially considering it's your first - considerably better than mine!

With regards to signatures and fonts, please see the signature block below...

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