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Mitchell van Os
Post subject: Mighty dragon. The Chinese Alternate UniversePosted: May 10th, 2011, 5:51 pm
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The Mighty dragon.
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This Alternate Universe goes about China, the China wich it can/could be in differ from today. This Chinese AU contains a larger defence budget since the start, and has more needs for modernisation.
Unlike the Chinese defences today, this budget was inmidiatly large, and does not increase.

Chinese AU:
In 1996 China saw more needs for more units in their navy, and newer technolegy for their army/air force/navy. They began rapidly buying anything possible to increase their own knowladge even more.
Since 1991 China started developing objects that the Superpowers (USA, France, UK) had and their allieds. This included new generation fighters/helicopters, addition of stealth. And Continent-Ballistic-missiles. But what they where also developing where Aircraft carriers, Nuclear submarines, Stealth strategic bombers. Anti Task force missiles. These where the key for succes in the later stage.
In other words, China's need to become the most developed and biggest Superpower on earth whas great. And it still is!
China has since around 1970's the largest amount of people in Service, always 5% more then the 2nd nation. By 1992 the will was there to increase this to 15%. Thus making an amount of 2.860.000 people in service at the Defence branch. By 2011 this was already 4.733.390 million heads. This was supplied by an addition 14 million Reserve's. And another 700 million able to go in service (Age/health). This does not state that they all will be.
The chinese Defence budget was in 2011 around 400 billion USD (Around 32,236,000,000,000 Yen). This means that the Defence budget is 200 billion behind the United States defence budget.
The Chinese Defence budget does not include the Chinese coast patrol, but does include the Chinese space program. Wich comes at around 82 billion USD (About 6 times the size of NASA). The budget for the CSP(Chinese space program) was so vast because the Chinese did not had anything to start with. Thus making the budget needed to catch up with the USA. By 2019 the budget was already cut down to 32 billion USD.

The Chinese needs are as following(For Defence budget)
-Air defence in the Chinese sea, and Chinese main land
-Anti Task force weapons
-Large Amphibious force
-Large coast patrol force (Not from the Navy)
-Space program (satalites, and space crafts)
-Infrastructual inprovements
-Health care Technolegy
-Automated weapons

The chinese indegious navy plan for 2020 looks like(Also includes planned reserve):

Capital ship's:
1x Kirov class super cruiser (Anti Surface/Air/Submerged/Task force aligned)<- The Mighty dragon(Strongest unit) of the navy.
2x Baby-Kirov class cruisers (Anti Surface/Air/Task force Aligned)
4x Super carriers (One class included)
1x Fleet carrier/Training carrier (Varyag)
4x super Landing helicopter deck (One class included)
6x landing helicopter deck (One class included)
6x Landing helicopter deck dual trim (One class included. Also able to operate as a Fleet carrier with 90 aircraft)
12x Landing platform helicopter dock (Two classes included)
Rest of the fleet:
6x Landing platform dock (Two classes included, type 071x4 and type 072 x2)
1x Land based training carrier (CSIC 701st institude, wuhan)
24x Escort carriers (One class included. Around 4->8 aircraft)
2x Task force killer cruisers
6x Fleet defence Cruisers
6x Cruisers
1x Fleet repair ship
1x Ural class Command ship
6x Command/radar ships
12x Fleet replenishment ships
38x Destroyers
65x Frigates
600x Coast patrol (Missile craft's/Fast attack Etc)
34x Large landing ships
43x Medium landing ships
11x SSBN
6->9 SSN
56x SSK

Total of ships around:
975x Capable of fighting/defending itself (Also reserve ships)
1700x Ships in the navy (Including tugs and crane ships etc etc)

(PSS sounds maniac, but the real chinese navy has now already a large force, and 400 of them are small missile boats)

By 2020 the plan was not made completely. With delays on several cases, cancelation and issues with development.
By 2020 the navy reached 650 ships capabale of defending itself or fighting other units.
Wich from those around 67 ships where still in tests/training or lacked aircraft and weapons.

The reason behind this that the vast amount of people and units being made caused issues. Docks where overfilled. New recruits lacked clothing, or reduced time of training.
In the end the lack of training nearly killed the P.L.A Defence group.

By 2017 the heads of Defences called for an emergency Naval harbour and factory builds.
This openen a new Naval/air force harbour in the north, this included many large items:
-2x carrier docks (for Supercarriers)
-1x large dock
-12x medium sized docks
-9x small docks
(Option for 3 more large docks, and 6 small docks).

It also was to include space in the harbour for:
-2x Super carrier (Special arrangements for nuclear ships)
-3x Fleet carriers (LHD/A) (Special arrangements for nuclear ships)
And around 80 other ships, and 100 small missile/fast attack crafts.
The air force also will be finding its spot here. With about space for:
-12x Stealth Strategic Bombers
-36x Stealth bombers
-12x AWACS
-9x Air refuel aircrafts
-16x Transport aircraft
-700x Fighters/fighter bombers
-340x Helicopters

Most of these spots where in use for the Aircraft carriers/LHA/LHD/LPD aircraft, and the navies helicopters.
The Defence area also included 6 new factories, and shipbuilding company.
The factories produced new aircraft and Amphibious crafts (AFV/LCU/LCAC/Rhibs etc)

The Harbour was finished in 2026, and was in full operation. With the opening in 2024 a older naval harbour (smaller) closed for convertion to a conventional harbour.

With a few other projects also ending in around 2020-2030 , the Defence group of PLA could finally finalise its plan for 2020. It was succesfull completed by 2032 and in full operation.
But what they did not think about it the replacement units of the aging units from 1980-2000. These came later in 2040+.


The next replies will contain the Army's equipment, Air force's equipment. And the Navy.

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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Zeven Provincien class cruiser
-Joint support ship all sides
-F124 Sachsen class frigate
-F125 Baden-Württemberg class frigate
-Clemencau class aircraft carrier
-Zeven provincien class frigate
-Poolster class AOR
-Amsterdam class AOR
-Minas Gerais aircraft carrier


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Post subject: Re: Mighty dragon. The Chinese Alternate UniversePosted: May 10th, 2011, 5:51 pm
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People's Liberation Army:
-Space Program
-Coast guard
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Part's sheet till now (Continue updated arrive, but it is a bit messy parts sheet)
Attachment:
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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Zeven Provincien class cruiser
-Joint support ship all sides
-F124 Sachsen class frigate
-F125 Baden-Württemberg class frigate
-Clemencau class aircraft carrier
-Zeven provincien class frigate
-Poolster class AOR
-Amsterdam class AOR
-Minas Gerais aircraft carrier


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Post subject: Re: Mighty dragon. The Chinese Alternate UniversePosted: May 10th, 2011, 5:51 pm
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People's Liberation Army Air Force:
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All the helicopters of P.L.A.A:
(Still updating)
Attachment:
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Fryssian AU with Lt.Maverick 114
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9802&p=193331#p193331
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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Zeven Provincien class cruiser
-Joint support ship all sides
-F124 Sachsen class frigate
-F125 Baden-Württemberg class frigate
-Clemencau class aircraft carrier
-Zeven provincien class frigate
-Poolster class AOR
-Amsterdam class AOR
-Minas Gerais aircraft carrier


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Post subject: Re: Mighty dragon. The Chinese Alternate UniversePosted: May 10th, 2011, 5:51 pm
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People's Liberation Army Ground Force:
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Tanks:
1800x Type 101 (125mm)
*Picture will come*

300x Type 167 (155mm)
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750x Type 167 (140mm)
*Same as above*

1200x Type 167 (125mm)
*Same as above*

1000x Type 99 (140mm)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... t_left.jpg

2600x Type 99 (125mm)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... t_left.jpg

2600X Type 96
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/type_96.jpg

200X Type 88
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 0Tank1.jpg

2500x Type 59
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _right.jpg

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Fryssian AU with Lt.Maverick 114
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9802&p=193331#p193331
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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Zeven Provincien class cruiser
-Joint support ship all sides
-F124 Sachsen class frigate
-F125 Baden-Württemberg class frigate
-Clemencau class aircraft carrier
-Zeven provincien class frigate
-Poolster class AOR
-Amsterdam class AOR
-Minas Gerais aircraft carrier


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Post subject: Re: Mighty dragon. The Chinese Alternate UniversePosted: May 10th, 2011, 5:52 pm
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People's Liberation Army Navy:
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Bases:
Chinese naval bases:
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Oversee Naval bases:
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Fleet list:
Capital ship's:
1x Kirov class super cruiser (Anti Surface/Air/Submerged/Task force aligned)<- The Mighty dragon(Strongest unit) of the navy.
2x Baby-Kirov class cruisers (Anti Surface/Air/Task force Aligned)
4x Super carriers (One class included)
1x Fleet carrier/Training carrier (Varyag)
4x super Landing helicopter deck (One class included)
6x landing helicopter deck (One class included)
6x Landing helicopter deck dual trim (One class included. Also able to operate as a Fleet carrier with 90 aircraft)
12x Landing platform helicopter dock (Two classes included)

Rest of the fleet:
6x Landing platform dock
-4x Type 071
-2x Type 072
1x Land based training carrier (CSIC 701st institude, wuhan)
24x Escort carriers (One class included. Around 4->8 aircraft)
-7xType 191A
-6xType 191B
-5xType 191C
-6xType 191D
4+1x Stealth Land attack cruisers
-1x Type 001T- Test ship (Armed with first batch of new items)
-2x Type 012A
-2x Type 012B
2+1x Task force killer cruisers
-1x Type 011A -Test ship (Smaller, and armed with first batch of the new items)
-1x Type 011B
-1x Type 011C
6x Fleet defence Cruisers
-2x Type 014A
-2x Type 014B
-2x Type 016B
6x Cruisers
-2x Type 015A
-2x Type 015B
-2x Type 016A
1x Fleet repair ship
1x Ural class Command ship
6x Command/radar ships
12x Fleet replenishment ships
38x Destroyers
-2x Type 956
-2x Type 956EM
-13x Type 051
-2x Type 052
-1x Type 051B
-2x Type 052B
-2x Type 051C
-6x Type 052C
-4x Type 052D
-2x Type 052E
-2x Type 051D
65x Frigates
-11x Type 053H
-9x Type 053H1
-3x Type 053H2
-1x Type 053HT-H
-6x Type 053H1G
-4x Type 053H2G
-10x Type 053H3
-2x Type 054
-12x Type 054A
-2x Type 054B
-3x Type 055
-2x Type 055A
36x Ocean going Patrol Ship
-12x Type 034
-24x Type 031
600x Coast patrol (Corvette/Missile craft's/Fast attack Etc)
-20x Type 024
-1x Type C1 (Cat)
-1x Type C2 (Hola)
-1x Type C3 (Houdong)
-40x Type 021
-40x Type 037
-5x Type 037-II
-24x Type 037IG
-20x Kronshstatd
-180x Type 022 (Houbei)
-100x Type 023 (Jungling)
-100x Type 024 (Hauso)
-12x Type 025 (Haingul)
-35x Type 056A
-21x Type 056B
34x Large landing ships
-7x Type 072 (LST)
-9x Type 072II (LST)
-14x Type 072III (LST)
-4x Type 073 (LPST)
81x Medium landing ships
-31x Type 079 (LSM)
-23x Type Yuling (LSM)
-13x Type 074 (LSM)
-3x Type 073I/II/III (LSM)
-11x Type 073IV (LSM)
11+1x SSBN
-1x Type 092 XIA->Test submarine
-5x Type 094 Jin
-6x Type 06 Xun
1x SSBC
-1x Type 629 Golf-Test submarine
10+4x SSN
-10x Type 093 Shang
-4x Type 091 Han->Training/Test submarines
56x SSK
-2x Type 033 Romeo->Training submarines
-5x Type 035 Ming
-2x Type 877EKM Kilo
-10x Type 636 KiloII
-13x Type 039 Song
-8x Type 041 Yuan
-8x Type 039 Yaling
-8x Type 040 Yaling II


Kirov class Super cruiser:
Attachment:
Type 1144 Kirov Class.png
The Chinese bought the EX-USSR Kirov from Oekraine in 2002. The idea of this was to develop their own Cruisers in the future with this technolegy.
The ship came to China-Dalian in 2004. She took a spot next to the Ex Varyag (Shilang Pennant DLU-088). She spent there the next 2 years rusting away.
By 2006 the ship was taken under tow to one of Dalian's harbour docks. She was finally going to be made ready for service. What happend the past 2 years whas looking how the ship was constructed and technolegy was taken into a loop. This resulted in the later Baby-kirov class from 2015.
The ship spent from 2006-2008 being cleared of electricity cables, equipment and inner construction, plus some outside changes.
The Outside word (The west) clearly thought she was going to be a Casino like the Ex-Varyag.
But this changed in 2009 when both ships where being painted PLAN grey.
By 2010 the ship gained new looks, and her interior was finished, she could finally fit out till about 2012 to set sail for trials. But this was not to be. A fire broke out after welding inside new construction walls to support the weight of the Smart-L like radar. The tower had to be refitted with and repaint.
The ship got delayed till 2011, and finally left the docks.
In 2012 end she gained her final fittings, and in 2013 she set's sail with 2 DDG's and a FFG to the indian ocean.
She met the Russian counterpart the Pyotr Velikiy.
This looked like this:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8272/pyo ... hinese.png
The Ex kirov was still named Kirov in the Chinese navy. She also became placeholder of the Mighty dragon sign on her bow.
This shows the world that she can not be messed with, and that is a fact.
Wich her missiles she can take on atleast TWO carrier task forces. Exept if her radars are in a defect.

The ship carried new missiles and armament+sensors/radars.

She carries about 8000-1100 missiles.
Wich from at least 12 are Anti task force missiles (C901).

Armament:
-2x 155mm Dual
-3x Type 870 Dual with RAM
-1x Type 870 Dual
-2x Type 870 RAM
-5x Type 830
-2x Quad Type 1AB Torpedo launcher

Large pack launcher(all of these fit in the same vls type):
-12->24x Task killer- C901 Dracula SSM
-8x P-700 Granit SSM
-15x P-800 Oniks SSM
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-96x S-300 SAM
-120x C804UH+ SSM
-312x A708U (ImprovedRussian OSA-MA)
-40x GUY-89 ABM
-80x GUY 79 LSAM

3x Helicopters



Type 056 A and B Ocean going Tri hull Patrol Ships. (OTPS 056)
The Jianglieu class:
Attachment:
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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Zeven Provincien class cruiser
-Joint support ship all sides
-F124 Sachsen class frigate
-F125 Baden-Württemberg class frigate
-Clemencau class aircraft carrier
-Zeven provincien class frigate
-Poolster class AOR
-Amsterdam class AOR
-Minas Gerais aircraft carrier


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