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República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
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Author:  EnrFe [ August 29th, 2010, 1:38 pm ]
Post subject:  República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
From old shipbucket forum...hoping to create an interesting AU ;-)

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1960: FE 11 - Quezon (ex - USS DE-169 Atherton, 1943) - scrapped
1960: FE 12 - Rizal (ex - USS DE 168 - Amick, 1943) - scrapped
1961: FE 13 - Magat Salamat (ex - USS DE 170 - Booth, 1943) - scrapped

These ship were loaned to the Repùblica Filipina under the Military Assistance Program on 1960-1 and purchased on 1967.
These units were the first modern ships of the Philippine Navy.

BRgds
Author:  erik_t [ August 29th, 2010, 4:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
I would certainly expect the depth charges aft to be landed for lightweight ASW torpedos. The latter were initially considered (at least in the USN) to be a depth charge replacement, with negligible range but a very large effective damage radius.
Author:  EnrFe [ August 30th, 2010, 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
Yes, good observation ;)

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....but, in the late 70s, the Quezon class was renovated with the removal of the old guns and the installation of new systems:
- new bridge
- new radar
- two OTO melara 76 mm with direction sistem
- ASW mortar, the only anti-submarine weapon remained

Thus converted ships have made the service until the early years of i80 (in the 1983-1984, after 40 years of service)...replaced by four new frigates (soon...)

BRgds
Author:  Novice [ August 30th, 2010, 8:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
Very nice, but I think you overloaded the hull with that bridge and the Memnon ASW mortar. I would suggest that you make the bridge lower, put the ASW mortar lower, and loose all the 20mm guns, except maybe two, one on each sideat the front of the bridge.
Author:  erik_t [ August 30th, 2010, 9:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
Pretty big defect to not be able to direct gunfire ahead. You might as well lose the forward gun (in favor of Memnon) entirely.
Author:  klagldsf [ August 31st, 2010, 2:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
I'd like to point out that the real life Filipino Bucklies/Cannons are almost identical to their WWII configuration, save for landing stuff that's wildly obsolete (light-caliber AA guns, depth charges etc).

What's kinda sad is that these are the largest surface combatants they have right now. Next up would be Auk-class minesweepers, of the same vintage no less, adapted into the gunboat role. That said their most effective warships are fast attack boats (an indigenous design and ex-RN/Hong Kong Peacocks - in the end they end up having very similar capability and can be lumped together) that are pretty modern and well-equipped, and serve the Filipino navy well.

Either way, you're dealing with a very elderly hull that wasn't really designed with long-life to begin with, so I wonder how worth it it'd be to, well, put lipstick on a pig, so to speak.
Author:  EnrFe [ August 31st, 2010, 9:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
Updated project of MLU (thanks for your suggestions)...

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...and another pig...ops! ;) ....ship:

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1965: AG 01 - Tomas Cloma (ex - USS APD-72 Jack C. Robinson, 1944) - scrapped
1966: AG 02 - Filemon Cloma (ex - USS APD -73 Bassett, 1945) - scrapped

The two ships were sold without armament and used as hydrographic and rescue ships until 1985, after limited work on the propulsion system.
In their long service, these ships have also received some gunfire of Chinese and Vitnamite ships...

BRgds
Author:  squizzy [ August 31st, 2010, 11:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
This would be very interesting seeing what The Philippines navy potential would look like in AU. Unfortunately as we know the real Philippines navy is trying very desperately to modernize and replace its largely antiquated and obsolete fleet with the extremely limited finance/budget it receives from the national treasury to purchase new build or upgraded secondhand naval vessels that it so very urgently needs. But I do have 1 question though the adding of the southern Cross to its flag? Reason being the fact that the archipelago Nation seats in the Northern hemisphere and not in the southern hemisphere!
Author:  Mitchell van Os [ August 31st, 2010, 4:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
Good au.
But you tell us the in service year, and result where it left.
But why not the end year?

Nice ship drawing's in this one make's the finishing touch.

Mitch 8-)
Author:  EnrFe [ September 1st, 2010, 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: República Filipina, Challenges in the south china sea
The "southern Cross" in the flag is a coincidence....the reality stars represent the archipelagos of islands disputed with other neighboring countries...and placement of the Southern Cross stars as I liked me :D

Mitch.....good advice ;)
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