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Next modernized ships are the Tarina class battleships

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1) Sorry I meant the IJN Kongo/Nagato/Yamato class battleships why would you rebuild them ?

2) Why would you build BBs post 45 ? surly CVs are the way forward ? The USN had massive amounts of gold but still spent most of it on CVs and decommissioned its old BBs post war. (and all of them by 2013 if not much earlier...)

JSB

Well the Rossiyan Navy admired the Nagato class and Yamato class battleships, so they felt that they decided to take the broken down Nagato and restore her to her former glory and keep her as a war trophy and not let her be used as target for the Americans in Operation Crossroads, the same was the with the Yamato class battleship, although these two ships had to be rebuilt from scratch based off from designs taken from the former Imperial Japanese Navy before they destroyed them (Rossiya have very excellent spy networks in Germany, Russia, Italy and Japan). Rossiya mostly took most of the cruisers, battleships and aircraft carriers and including one of the Sen Toku class submarines from the Japanese as war trophies. Most of which are now museums, excluding the Nagato, Yamato, Shinano, Yukikaze, Hibiki and 1-400 are honorary ships of the Rossiyan Navy because the Rossiyan have come to like those ships.
FUN FACT: Rossiya actually deployed the Japanese warships not once but numerous after World War 2 which are the Korean War, Vietnam War and the 1991 Gulf War (Nagato, Yamato and Musashi)
Remember Operation Barrier was to rearm the Japanese in case the Soviets or Chinese become aggressive during the Cold War, so Rossiya and America decided that Japan could hold itself with the rebuilt battleships. Anyway, Rossiya also built the Japanese aircraft carriers including the Akagi, Kaga, and the rest. Now these carriers were used by the Rossiyan Navy for a number of years with RFS Shinano being the last in 1985 before being sent over to the Rossiyan Reserve Fleet then the Rossiyan National Naval Guard where some mainly the early carriers were sunk as artificial reefs.

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Sorry but why would you want a second supply chain (all IJN ships will use different spare parts ) when you already have to many BBs for the limited post war use (ie gunfire support, command flagships, space to add missile boxes) ?

The 15 Morskoye class will fill any need for ships with big guns so anything else just wastes money......

JSB

PS- Post war you would never rebuild old designs (war lessons would make you be able to build much better ships) it would be like building a pre Jutland ships post 1920 (ie R class instead of Nelson), you would want to build CVs and escorts CLs/DDs/DDGs for the cold war much more value for money.

Alright, I will concede to your thoughts, however Haruna, Nagato, Yukikaze, Hibiki, and I-400 will still be used by the Rossiyan Navy

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Now for the Tarina class battleships
The first three Tarina class battleships, Tarina, Hartmann and Baltland were the only "modern battleships" of the Rossiyan Navy however they still needed to be modernized. So in 1934, more anti-air guns were installed which were 96 25 mm cannons. They also given more modern range finders.

Later in 1936, seven more Tarina class battleships were ordered, they were Vilstermann, Malatov, Romotov, Galland, Daitov, Hermann and Kuikov. They were all built to the 1934 variant.
However as time progress, these ships needed to catch up so in 1940-1941, all the Tarina class battleship were modernized which tripod mast replacing their lattice masts for the forward superstructure. The rear superstructure basically had the lattice removed and had hollow steel pillars in their place. Radar was also installed on the warships. Also two additional dual 5 inch gun turrets were installed. The battleships' hull were transformed so to fit torpedo bulges.

Finally, the last modernization for the Tarina class battleships were in 1944, not much change other than upgrade in radar and fire control systems.

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Personally I think 8/12 DP guns (5inch x 2 x 4 or later 6 ? ) is to weak (I would go 16+) and 96 25mm in 1934 is to much (are they twins or triples ? just fit 4/6 mounts, 12/18 guns).
You also have 4(2 each side) other 3inch AA guns ?

I also think that there would be more differences between 28 ships and 38 ships, so many improvement would be made to the design that you would have 2 classes effectively.

JSB

Hi Oberst,

A quick query - on your Tarina-class, I can see that the '41 and '44 refits have changed the masts and other mast-mounted equipment - yet those masts still seem to have full-on spotting tops, which would seem to be both a little redundant (in that the radar should be doing the spotting by that point) and also might be quite detrimental to ship stability given that they're now up there along with a big radar set - would Rossiya keep the spotting tops?

Regards,
Adam

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I know that in ten years there would be so much of improvement but the Rossiyan Navy decided to retain the design because, it worked why change? that and the design bureau was quite lazy during that period.
But I will redo the 1938 and 1941 designs just to keep you happy
Now by 1941, the spotting tops had been given a new task which is to house the PA systems and non essential electronic systems

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It not just that its also a new generation of chief designer gets to build a battleship with his name on it , that and design bureaus that are not doing new ships don't get money....

Its your AU so I hope you don't mind my comment's and feel free to disregard them

JSB