Imperial Swedish Navy

Yes, sorry if I did not make myself clear; but Tims drawings illustrate better the query: that the Tartar magazine would appear be intruding into the same space as the Talos magazine - at least to limited knowledge of such technical matters

With some changes - she could be of a follow on class the the Uppland....I could be more convinient

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Äran (Glory), Sweden Guided missile cruiser laid down 1950

Displacement:
10 548 t light; 10 947 t standard; 12 163 t normal; 13 136 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(625,45 ft / 606,96 ft) x 65,62 ft x (19,69 / 20,89 ft)
(190,64 m / 185,00 m) x 20,00 m x (6,00 / 6,37 m)

Armament:
4 - 5,98" / 152 mm 55,0 cal guns - 115,66lbs / 52,46kg shells, 400 per gun
Dual purpose guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1950 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
16 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 5,95lbs / 2,70kg shells, 1 000 per gun
Auto rapid fire guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1950 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 558 lbs / 253 kg
Main Torpedoes
1 - 15,7" / 400 mm, 4,92 ft / 1,50 m torpedo - 0,404 t total
below water reload

1x2 Mk 11 launcher for RIM-24/Rb-63 Tartar SAM (64 missiles)
1x2 Mk 12 launcher for RIM-8/ Rb-64 Talos SAM (46 missiles)
1x2 launcher for RBS-08F SLCM active radarhoming to 200km (24 missiles)

2x AN/SPG-49 (PE-64) fire control radar for Talos,
2x AN/SPG-51 (PE-63) fire control radar for Tartar,
6x PK-62 57mm Fire control radar
2 x Radar Type 274 (PE-55) 6-inch fire control;

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 394,52 ft / 120,25 m 9,71 ft / 2,96 m
Ends: 0,98" / 25 mm 212,40 ft / 64,74 m 9,71 ft / 2,96 m
Upper: 0,98" / 25 mm 394,52 ft / 120,25 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Hull void:
0,00" / 0 mm 0,00 ft / 0,00 m 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 3,94" / 100 mm
2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 0,39" / 10 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm
Forecastle: 0,39" / 10 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
No drive to shaft, 4 shafts, 90 126 shp / 67 234 Kw = 32,00 kts
Range 5 000nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 189 tons

Complement:
578 - 752

Cost:
£5,775 million / $23,099 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 181 tons, 1,5 %
- Guns: 180 tons, 1,5 %
- Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0 %
Armour: 1 925 tons, 15,8 %
- Belts: 831 tons, 6,8 %
- Armament: 180 tons, 1,5 %
- Armour Deck: 914 tons, 7,5 %
Machinery: 2 156 tons, 17,7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 186 tons, 34,4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 615 tons, 13,3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 2 100 tons, 17,3 %
- Hull below water: 800 tons
- Hull void weights: 50 tons
- Hull above water: 750 tons
- On freeboard deck: 300 tons
- Above deck: 200 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
20 953 lbs / 9 504 Kg = 195,5 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 7,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
Metacentric height 3,5 ft / 1,1 m
Roll period: 14,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,14
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,19

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,543 / 0,553
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,45 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00 %, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Forward deck: 30,00 %, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Aft deck: 35,00 %, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Average freeboard: 22,33 ft / 6,81 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78,1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 212,9 %
Waterplane Area: 28 291 Square feet or 2 628 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 135 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 98 lbs/sq ft or 479 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,40
- Overall: 1,00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room

I have during my easter holiday redesigned/ reworked my twin end "Seadart" HSwMS Mannerheim, now a 6500ton ship - but with two twin SeaDart launchers and 2 x120mm TAK L60 guns and elevator hangar for a Wessex helo (removed in 1980s rebuild to just a pad for a lynx and two ABL for TLAM. VDS and TAS are fitted inte empty hangar space below deck.).

The Swedish answer to the Sovremenjy is also redesigned aswell as the Spica frigate.

I need some support/ inspiration for a late 1990s classical cruiser. She will act in a traditional cruiser role and in some areas replace the Kung Karl LPDs. Most important is that she can strike hard and act independently with very few escorts. Missions will be similar to the NATO strikes against Kosovo, UK actions in Sierra Leone and Aden aswells as large scale missions like Operation Enduring Freedom and pirate hunting off the somali coast.

My current inspiration is something between a ex.Slava/ Moskva and the Italian cruiser Vittorio Veneto.....
Arnament
2x 64cell MK VLS for SM-2ER/ ESSM/ TLAM
3x1 155/ 152 or 210mm guns
4x bofors 57mm
12x RBS 15
4-6 Helicopters (Sea Knight?)

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maybe it's just me, but the radar on the bridge structure looks weird.... maybe it is an outdated drawing? there is also an better version of the WM-22, and is it on purpose that the crane midships is so much lighter coloured as the rest of the structure? other then that, it looks great

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Huh. Sideways-loading Terrier....

Would this interfere with Talos? Also, Terrier/Mk 10 was designed from the onset to be incredibly compact. You would probably get away with vertical-loading Terrier without a single pixel change!

He have used old LW radar and old British raders ( by old I mean old drawing = outdated)

@Alamva Yes I know, I will do an upgrade of my partsheets soon.

First study, first attemt for my 1980s cruiser project. The replacement of the Äran and maybe the Kung Carl classes. She is loosly based on the sovjet Slava and the US CG-47 classes. My main cocnern is her main air/ surf search radar. SPY-1 can not be fitted due to her general layout and export problem. I would like to have the SMART-L but thats about 15 years to early. Right no she uses the SPS-48 (PS 860), in IRL use by the RSwAF, aswell as my AU ships.

180x 20x 6m
approx 12000tons

CODAG
22kts cruise (diesels)
32kts max (GT+diesels)

1x3 152mm DP gun
4x1 57mm MK2 DP gun
12x1 RBS 15
2x64 cell MK41 VLS

4x medium helicopters or 2x large

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Well I promised you some new ships....

1. Mannerheim Class DDG
This class started as a joint british and Swedish projects around the the SeaDart system in the late 1960s. While britain left the shipbuilding program whith the more expensive type 43 and finnaly ended up with the Type 82 and the smaller Type 42 classes Sweden descided to go for a large destroyer to replace lots of ageing World war 2 cruisers and destroyers in the airdefence role.

The class had some promblems with their large enclosed hangar beneath the aft deck. Therefor the hangar was removed during the MLU in 1986-90 and replace by ASW equipmen and two ABL for Tomahawk TLAM. SSMs where planned but not fitted. The HSwMS Mannerheim served with the coalition forces at operation desert Shield and desert Storm in 1991 aswell as in the crisis in the Adriatic after the breakdown of Jugoslavia, firng TLAMs against targets inside Serbia. The where withdrawn from frontline service between 2004 and 2010, beeing replaced by the Nordenskiöld class.

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Mannerheim,
Mörner
Montgomery
Munck
Breitenfeldt
Lützen
Wittstock
Jankow

Sweden
Airdefence Destroyer laid down 1974

Displacement:
4 986 t light; 5 156 t standard; 6 500 t normal; 7 575 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(503,11 ft / 487,20 ft) x 59,06 ft x (15,75 / 17,63 ft)
(153,35 m / 148,50 m) x 18,00 m x (4,80 / 5,37 m)

Armament:
2 - 4,72" / TAK120 mm L60,0 cal guns - 57,75lbs / 26,20kg shells, 400 per gun
Auto rapid fire guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1960 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 70,0 cal guns - 6,33lbs / 2,87kg shells, 1 000 per gun
Auto rapid fire guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1950 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 141 lbs / 64 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 15,7" / 400 mm, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m torpedoes - 0,567 t each, 1,135 t total
below water reloads

2x2 GWS 30 SeaDart missile system, 32+32 missiles, semiactive radarhomeing to 75km
1x Westland Wessex HKP 5 ASW/ ASuW/ SAr Helicopter in below deck hangar

Sensors
1x SPS-42 Airsearch
1x Type 992Q surfserach radar
4x Type 908 SeaDart FC guidence radar
4x 9lvMk1
ESM/ELINT PQ-1978
Gnat decoy system

HMS

Later
4x9vLv mk2 FC
HMS/ VDS/ TAS

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0,79" / 20 mm 292,32 ft / 89,10 m 9,22 ft / 2,81 m
Ends: 0,39" / 10 mm 194,85 ft / 59,39 m 9,22 ft / 2,81 m
Upper: 0,20" / 5 mm 292,32 ft / 89,10 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 10,00 degrees (positive = in)

- Hull void:
0,00" / 0 mm 0,00 ft / 0,00 m 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 0,79" / 20 mm
2nd: 0,20" / 5 mm 0,04" / 1 mm 0,20" / 5 mm

- Protected deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 0,20" / 5 mm
Forecastle: 0,20" / 5 mm Quarter deck: 0,20" / 5 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 0,79" / 20 mm, Aft 0,20" / 5 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors and Gasturbines combined drive
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 72000shp = 32,00 kts/ 24kts on diesels
Range 8 000nm at 20,00 kts on diesels
Bunker at max displacement = 2 419 tons

Complement:
250-300

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Wow! Looks fantastic. The only comments I could gave is that the aft gun FCR could use a ''prodection wall'' because if the missile is firing the FCR will mostly damage!

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