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The F-design for the next-gen cruiser rehashed the idea of the flightdeckcruiser of the late 30s. The F-design was to be a 12.000 ton ship, equipped with eight A17m-SSM-launchers with 32 further missiles stored in the large superstructure. A twin 'Tornado'-SAM on the foredeck, two triple 'Taifun'-SAMs behind the A17ms. Two triple 'Geier'-launchers on the mid. AA-gunnery consists from four 5,5cm-twins and four 3cm-quads. No heavier guns, most missions are done by missiles.
The design is somewhat unusual because it connects a large amount of helicopters with the capability to deliver massive strikes on any target in the air, on land or sea or under water.
Even though the design was as strongly armed as the OKM wished, it was rejected. The design was finally too unusual for the oldfashioned german admiralty.

The gap between A and F will be filled. Later.
Someone might see a similarity to the soviet Moskva-class. Yes, that's true. That's why the ship can handle the large top weigth. You remember the pear-shaped hull of Moskva?

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The B-design was very near to the A-design but saw the installation of two additional 15cm DP-full auto-twins and the hanger was now below the deck.
Even though the design was stronger armed than the A-design, it was rejected. There was not enough room for supplies due to the downed hanger and the ammo lifts- and stores for the 15cm DPs.

In reality a 15cm DP was tested but rejected, its performance was so near to the 12,8cm DP that it was dropped. For a turret with those guns there exists one technical drawing only. My turret is purely fictous instead. I will draw the real projected turret later, after collecting more data of the gun.

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I like the "V" design... kind of a proto-Moskva.

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Design F is probably one of the weirdest-looking ships I've ever seen. I like the A and B plans, though. Looking forward to seeing the evolution of the Panzerschiffen!

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Or maybe they thought it was too top-heavy.

I really don't like how the VTOL and the larger helicopter looks. It's certainly not indicative of your ability in general (the other helicopter looks very nice), so I think it's more an issue with the color palette than anything, but it's just rather unpleasant to look at.

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Raven: I like the "V" design... kind of a proto-Moskva.
Yes, it is inspired by Moskva

emperor_andreas: Design F is probably one of the weirdest-looking ships I've ever seen.
Have a look at the original Moskva-class. They where unique ships. I like'em.

klagldsf: maybe they thought it was too top-heavy.
Again, look at Moskva-class, see the hull and understand The Moskvas have such a fat ass, they must have been a hydrodynamical wonder

Satirius: really don't like how the VTOL and the larger helicopter looks.
You don't have to. The VTOL is from original drawings,the fat heli is my creation, trying to do a logical one. Most helis are ugly. You know what non-heli-pilots say? Helicopters cannot fly, they are so ugly, the earth rejects them.

The next generation CG is a great playfield to me.
- a fictous situation where germany has become the european superpower in the mid 50s
- the need for a new extreme versitle cruiser type
- modern technologies renders very most ships obsolete
- what ships will be the counterparts of the ngCG

To me, the B-design is the worst by now. It looks somehow chaotic to me, unskilful engineered. I think, you know what I mean.

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Um, no.

You look at the hull and understand:




It's not nearly as top-heavy as your design is. Go look at the discussion thread for heuhen's nuclear cruiser and the pointers we gave about the original ABL placement being too top-heavy - and that was for a single component on a much larger, nuclear-powered cruiser. I'm betting the missile weight alone is not too far off from an ABL, let alone the heavy-looking, likely armored launcher and its associated reloading/storage equipment, plus how high the rest of the superstructure is. Not to mention, the Moskva also has a much deeper draft - and the draft you have is concerning shallow even for your smaller designs (as borne out in the Hamburg class which clearly this is at least partially based on, which I've mentioned before).

One of the increasingly prevalent things, particularly from newer members, that I'm getting kinda sick and tired of is the idea that they can get away with nonsense and use some loosely aesthetically-related real ship as justification even though they've maybe even looked at the real ship for all of a dozen seconds, if it's not in fact some Chinese wank art. That's idiot-engineering.

Keep in mind the Moskva did have a very fat ass, and the hull form in question could nearly qualify as a ramform. With that in mind, you might want to deepen the draft a bit and raise her out of the water some.

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Keep in mind the Moskva hullform trimmed bow heavy and seakeeping was poor. Also keep in mind both ended up retired before their time by the Soviets.
Hullform is no excuse for poor freeboard.

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