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Great work with that new turret for 105mm, probably is still a little cramped but a lot better designed. I'm worried about suspension, new gun and turret is solid extra weight. But I think that new designed turret can be put on some new chassis later.

Janet is good looking, riveted armor look definitely nice. In what year she was design ?

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Looks nice.

Heuhen - I think I need to be more straightforward about quality of Your english. Are You positively sure that:
"A normal division with the 95 mm MBT in Haram armed forces, would consist of: two Heavy tank, four medium tank, and six light tank, several light armored vehicles and one self propelled artillery with two howitzer tanks, and around 500 to 1500 men." ???
Army division with about thousand men and dozen of tanks?
US Army armored division in 1945 had: 10.670 men, 185 medium tanks (incl. 27 with 105mm guns), 77 light tanks, 50 armored cars, 452 half-tracks, 8 75mm and 54 105mm guns and howitzers, 1869 jeeps and trucks, 69 mortars, 30 anti-tank guns and so on.
Of course it's Your AU, and if You say that in this universe there is some other unit nomenclature in use, then it has to be so, but right now it looks confusing.

P.S. And by the way - term MBT (Main Battle Tank) came to use AFTER World War 2 and largely contradicts such terms like heavy or medium tank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_battle_tank

They all have there weaknesses, And yes the turret can probably be used on next gen tanks. save some cost as well!
I think she was designed before the "A" tank 78 type A, since it is the first heavy tank.
English is not main language. And probably many will say that I have been better in English since the first time I got here!
Oh no. It's that Haram don't have that many tanks in this time period, since Haram Maine land is on several island. Haram military didn't see the use of that many tanks to protect the main land. all they needed was a couple of 100,000 - 500,000 man or more and a strong Navy. And of course there is some Air force.

There was also the type of a pure small division of tank and men. They only consisted of a few tanks and around a 100 tanks. You can call them as a "special" unit.

This is my idea of a Haram Division:

- several division with 10,000 to 20,000 man and support vehicles: towed guns etc.
- some division with a handful of tanks and around 500 to 1500/2000 men, this division is supporting the main division. (Of this type of division Haram had around 4 armored special division for 1. armed division)
- then you have the tank division. 200 light tanks, 500 medium tanks, 150 Heavy tanks, 45 armored cars, 200-500 half-tracks, 20 60 mm and 150 90 mm guns and 20 120 mm howitzers, 3000 jeeps and trucks, 200 mortars, 60 76 mm, 80 mm and 95 mm anti-tank tanks. (at the biggest during WWII Haram had only, 4 division of this type )

That is a lot of tanks. not as big as the biggest but not as small as the smallest, but then Haram compensated it with have a Large Navy to protect it's islands

of course I know that! I used it for other people that want to know what is the backbone and what is the front line!

Hmmm... I would replace that 80mm high velocity with something smaller, maybe ... 75 mm howitzer? And put small turret with MG in Cruiser Mk I style. I don't know what Haram think about role of tanks in there army before WWII. My propose is more of infantry support tank, pretty popular idea before Blitz.

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Of course, English is foreign language to most of us here, including me (and I know that I'm making numerous mistakes), but what You wrote is simply confusing in some places.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm inclined to think, that You have only VERY vague idea about army organization (and accidentialy it just so happens that it's my main area of interests).
No sane army would have "10-20.000 man divisions" and "500 to 1500/2000 man divisions" at the same time. While some armies (esp. in Latin America) have divisions that are de facto brigades, usually "division" in land usage (leaving aside the issue of translation of Russian term "divizyon") means formation of some 8-20.000 men, composed of several brigades/regiments (each of 2-6.000 thousand men) and support units.
Those "special" units are batallion-sized (regiment-sized at most, if we assume that this army has very small regiments) and could be called "Task Forces", "Combat Groups", "Detachments", but not "divisions". In planning and communications it would be too confusing to be used. Btw. - dozen of tanks is merely a company (ca. 100 men)
Tank Division of 850 tanks, 250-550 armored vehicles, 330 guns, 200 mortars and 3000 jeeps and trucks? That would be most unmaneuverable, impossible to control, impossible to effectively resupply, slow, cumbersome military formation - or actually "big, fat, juicy target for enemy air force" - in the history of warfare. Especially for an island nation. Soviets had Mechanized Corps in 1940-1941 with similar number of armored vehicles but with less guns and mortars and similar number of trucks and they proved to be totally impractical to use (besides - and regardless of - certain issues specific to Soviet Army during summer of 1941).

And how using the acronym "MBT" would explain that "where is the front line"?

I have some interest. But I also don't want Haram just to be like any other military force. So every thing is a bit different, you can see that a lot on my ships design I do. I could always drawn them USA style or German style, but I doesn't do that. For I believe in an create AU is an AU where things is a bit different. different religion, different way to do things, etc. and Army of Germany is not build up in the same way as an Army from USA or the British islands etc.

Haram is special! their own way to do things that have we to include. but where is the line going. I Haram old mind it is that a main division is supported by a small armored unit that is a type of a special unit. if it called a Division by Haram just in respect of what capability it have, or that other country will call it a platoon or just a unit. It's the different of nation culture. I can always us an parentheses with the where I can write in what these unit is called internationally!

here I could be a bit better at explaining how this unit works. In fact I would call it an Armored army (followed by witch army it is, 1. armored army, 2. armo.... etc.) in tactics a unit like this is never moving in a combined group their a re splitted up in many small units.... whatever you want to call it. they are all working by them self in an unit of 3 to 12 tanks. in fact I shall draw my idea up just give me a moment!


between the line, but that perhaps a bit difficult to explain. in this environment!


Now you can come up of how my army could be build up. And remember to put in that difference between culture in to, and that in the 1940's Haram was very new to tanks. but had a very large and skilled Army of men (women). with they many special units. If people want they can come with a color code and perhaps name for these units. It would be fun.

Oh "eswube", I'm not attacking you or something like that, I just like a hot discussion from time to time, and I also want Haram to be a bit special,...

German Army isn't organized the same way as US Army or British Army, but general organizational ideas are basically similar practically everywhere. You know why? Because they're simply logical.

If it's "Armored Army" then You need more men and trucks for that amount of armor and artillery.
And if it's "never moving in a combined group" then why it's organized into one in the first place?
And yes, I would be very interested in seeing some organizational chart/OrBat/TO&E or whatever.

That's all from me for now. Language barrier seems to be too big to continue discussion, and I'm afraid that I simply don't understand much of what You write. I'll just say that I'm NOT impressed.
Anyway, good luck with continuing Your AU.

EDIT: Just saw that "organizational chart". Well, sorry, but that could fit for ANY military formation, so therefore it explains exactly nothing. Would You be so kind to show something more like this (of course more much simplified):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Infan ... 8Poland%29

Like:
Armored Division - XXX tanks, XXX armored vehicles, XXX guns/howitzers
-2 x Armored Brigade - XXX tanks, XXX armored vehicles, XXX guns/howitzers
-1 x Mechanized Brigade... etc.
(down to batallion level would be enough)

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my plan was not to get this far, just to post some drawing and say "Hey" see what I did now, but then ..... I had to write an unnecessary text... Next time it will not be any text just a drawing and that's it.

I see I got my response. Ok, never mind Kid. Sorry to bother. Have a good fun.

Victory Poland is calling me a Kid, success.







I am starting to draw a medium tank, my idea is something similar to M4 Sherman and M3 Stuart. I have no Idea how it will look like, but i am thinking about a 60 mm gun, V8 380 Hp petrol, about 5.5 meter long and 2.5 meter high. any idea, or parts I can steal. I am fairly new to FD-scale, and if you have a part you recommend to steal, just post a the drawing of the entire tank, It make it easier for me!