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Thank you Kim for the crest

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Stttt!!! It was my little secret

Thanks for all nice comments and compliments! I have update the drawing a little and added a CoA! Also Kirov itself and Kiev and Kuznetsov classes follow (Pr.1943 and 1944, and I hope 1941 too)

I would also. Until we see it, I'm operating under the assumption that you've simply miss-scaled the drawing.

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No I have not mis-scalled the drawing, since you should not read fucking American sources. Most guys here are ''Simply''
And since I have to prove myself again for this fucking retared world, I am not wonna waste my time and Explain it. So joooooo laters.

I am actually wondering too, what the real sizes of the kirov then should be, for use in my reference database? if all western sources are incorrect, I suppose you have better references, which I should then use?

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I was actually curious to see what your sources said... if they are different than the "fucking American sources", I'm interested to see them. I don't know what you mean by "Most guys here are "simply"".

As for "having to prove myself", well it shouldn't be an issue at all to just post what you used for reference.

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There's no call for this "artist rage" if people are simply asking what lenght you used to scale the drawing.

And what comes to western sources, yes at some cases exspecially when dating back to the cold war era it might be inaccurate. But is it a really the proplem in this case? Let me give you an examble.

-Apalkov gives in his series of books about VMF ships pr.1144 overall lenght of 251m and 228m on waterline.
-Morskaya Kollektsiya gives it overall lenght 250m
-A.N. Sokolov gives it lenght 252m overall
-A.S. Pavlov gives it overall lenght 251.2m

So I say it's rather legimite question to ask what lenght/source you used for scaling it becouse there is some variation even with the russian sources regarding the lenght.

And nothing justifies faul language and unpolite manners in this forum.

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Implying that posters with serious questions and serious concerns, amongst which a mod and an admin, are "simple" is NOT going to fly. You WILL recant that statement, or there WILL be trouble.
You have to prove yourself (or rather, your sources) because everyone has to do that if there are serious doubts as to the veracity of said sources. If there's one thing this forum prides itself on, it's getting the scale as good as possible. I mean, I'm not going to back a complaint about a pixel or two, but if there's doubts in the meters range, than that's a lot.

So, as I said, you will take back the name-calling, and you will kindly provide your super-duper sources.
Within a day or two, PLEASE.

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I do apology for the hard and aggresive comment from my side. My source is a EM plan aboard the Kirovs. - Done.